This guy, in this story, is an interesting person. In his youthful days, he made the mistake of getting himself involved with gangsters. He sold counterfeit CDs, sometimes involved in gang fights. However he later realized he could not go on living like that, he parted with the gangsters, learned some skills. Now he earned an honest living as a hairdresser.
This guy, I called KK, also liked to try bits of different spirituality, Chinese medicine, Qi Gong and acupuncture.
One time, his younger brother and the younger brother's girlfriend got invited to some Christian gathering, and he just went along. That's his story which I now tell and paraphrased in his point of view.
Oh...my brother and his gal just invited me to some kind of Christian thing...and I went. Oh.. there were a bunch of teenagers also there gathering, playing some sort of group games (and I fucking know..)
Then one teenager girl fainted. I just ran over and got her, took her aside to rest.
Her face was pale like a sheet, probably skipped meal for somethin' diet or the sort so she blacked out. Well I use some of ma knowledge in Chinese massage, acupuncture point massaging and Qi Gong and place by hand on her head and hand (you know I'm a guy, people might think of bad things about me if I touched her body)
The girl felt better, all good... then the preacher came over.... I thought he's goin to thank me...
Preacher: hey ya, what did ya do ?
Me: oh, I just massage her, to help her.
Preacher: what massage ??
Me: oh, Chinese medicine, acupuncture, and sending some of ma "energy" to her
Preacher: what energy ???
Me: oh, my Qi Gong, so that she can feel better
I got a bit pissed off -- hey, this was one of yours, she fainted and you gi not a damn on her and now I helped her you came and nag me ???
Before I could even say another word...
Preacher: Satan!!! Away from me (hand gestures)
Me: What the fuck????
Preacher: Healing powers can only come from our Lord God Almighty!!! All others are Satan's work!!!
I was just shocked to my shit !!!! What were all this ?????
Preacher: come brothers, bring your Bible and gather here, lets read yada yada book Chapter X Verses YY ... let's pray and cast away Satan's servant !!!!
I hadn't seen such freak show in my life !!! I just helped one of your friends you call me Satan????
I decided that I had to get out of the place as I could not stay any longer or else I would go crazy too
I stood up and headed to the door and I heard the biggest bull shit in my life!
Preacher: Hallelujah!!!! Look, the power of our Lord God Almighty has casted away the servant of Satan. He cannot stand our chorus of prayers to the Lord and flee !!!
I just leave -- and I swear if I am a cop, I would have arrested all of them and put them in an asylum !!!!
這故事主人翁非常特別﹐年輕時候行蠱惑﹑賣翻版CD﹑出去打人劈友﹐不過忽然開竅﹐覺悟前非﹐擺脫了黑社會﹐完全唔需要信教﹐今日有母親錫﹑有好女朋友﹐而且學一門手藝﹐就做髮型師﹐賺錢賺得安安樂樂
他參與過道教一d關於養生,氣功同埋自修既課程﹑學左好多年太極﹐學過好多野,例如boxing,泰拳,跆拳道,wakeboard,風帆﹐懂得穴位按摩﹑推拿﹑中醫把脈﹑氣功。
這是他的自述﹕
件事就係我有一次番教會,去就係去我細佬以前女朋友帶我去果一間,我只係去過一次(唔記得左係邊,好似要過海),果度同平時一般教會一樣,都係咁啦,星期六,日去果d咁囉,好多人,好多後生仔女,佢地分開晒一組組咁玩,玩玩下呢,突然有個女仔暈左喎,面青青咁,我即刻扶佢埋一二邊抖下啦,再幫佢把脈,咁知佢係可能肚餓,個人虛弱左少少而暈左,咁我就用左少少氣功同埋加埋穴位按摩(按個頭同手一d穴位,冇按身,廢事有人話抽水),當時好多人埋左黎睇咩事,果時個女仔開始醒左少少喇,我諗住冇事喇,
但係個牧師就埋左黎問我:你做咩呀?
我話:我幫佢按摩囉!
跟住佢問:咁你頭先d手勢係咩黎呀?
我答番佢話:運功囉!做咩呀?
佢又問番我:咩功呀?
我答佢話:中醫氣功囉,加埋穴位既治療咁啦!
我果時開始有少少火火地,個女仔暈果陣冇人理,而家佢醒番又呀支呀左,我正想挑佢老味既時候,我細佬gf睇得出我火火地,就嗌話哥哥唔好呀咁,
跟住果條牧師仲攪笑,我比佢吹到啤啤聲,
佢話:魔鬼!遠離我吧!(做埋手勢......)
咁我話:而家究竟咩事先.....
佢跟住同我講:你知唔知除左神既力量之外,一切唔知既力量都係魔鬼既力量,你使用魔鬼既力量即係魔鬼既使徒,(下刪好多隻字)....
係呢個時候我都唔想再理佢,我同我細佬同埋佢gf講:我走先,呢度d人咁叉煩,唔走實蛇都比佢地玩死!
又係呢個時候,個牧師又講喇:大家咁多位弟兄,一齊拎起聖經,我地一齊用經文去驅除魔鬼,大家唔好受呢隻魔鬼既引誘,黎,而家大家一齊讀xx:xx.....
我睇倒咁既情境,都唔知好嬲定好笑,跟住我就行左去門口果邊諗住走人啦,
點知....:大家而家見証倒喇,魔鬼係唔能夠同神對抗既,我地用神既話語逼使魔鬼既離去,而家又一次証明主耶穌基督既全知全能,請大家鼓掌,跟住大家一齊跟住我唱聖詩啦!
係果個時候,我要爆喇,(差dd),但係我心入面以經嚮起左.....
挑.....x......你......x.....味.....x......家......祥......x.......爆.....x........呀.......x........個.......西丫!
好在我唔係差佬,唔係實拉q晒班友入小欖.....
Wednesday, December 31, 2008
Monday, December 29, 2008
War with Fundamentalists and Creationists
I was tipped off by an anonymous kid about his high school "science" teacher attempting to create doubts on Darwinian evolution theory.
That teacher quoted a tract from a notoriously conservative Chinese Christian publication, and claim that Charles Darwin himself doubted the evolution theory.
It became clear to me that the article simply quoted Darwin's "Origin of Species" Chapter Six out of context.
I started threads in a number of forums, particulary targeted to parents with high school kids -- one happens to be dedicated for Christian family. Within hours I was bombarded with angry comments from Christians, some quoted Creationism / ID tracts, some simply yell at me to "repent" or spit venom at me. A bit surprise to see that from "parents" who supposed to behave well..... until you poked at their vulnerable spot, that is, their faith.
During the process, I learned a lot and in fact consolidated my knowledge on evolution, scientific methods and others.
Some parents expressed their support for me (not openly, for they were scared of the responses by those Christian parents). They all agreed my viewpoints and appreciated my knowledge in science, and I promise them to provide my views there regularly.
"Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense."
Chapman Cohen
That teacher quoted a tract from a notoriously conservative Chinese Christian publication, and claim that Charles Darwin himself doubted the evolution theory.
It became clear to me that the article simply quoted Darwin's "Origin of Species" Chapter Six out of context.
I started threads in a number of forums, particulary targeted to parents with high school kids -- one happens to be dedicated for Christian family. Within hours I was bombarded with angry comments from Christians, some quoted Creationism / ID tracts, some simply yell at me to "repent" or spit venom at me. A bit surprise to see that from "parents" who supposed to behave well..... until you poked at their vulnerable spot, that is, their faith.
During the process, I learned a lot and in fact consolidated my knowledge on evolution, scientific methods and others.
Some parents expressed their support for me (not openly, for they were scared of the responses by those Christian parents). They all agreed my viewpoints and appreciated my knowledge in science, and I promise them to provide my views there regularly.
"Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense."
Chapman Cohen
近日在幾個基督教版講進化論
因為一個匿名朋友報料﹐某中學老師宣揚神創﹐仲使用《中信》的廢料﹐我於是就去有中學家長的討論區發起討論﹐結果意外收穫﹐找到大量的進化論資料﹐例如方舟子﹑美國科學院﹐甚至有 3D 動畫看的東西。
好心寒﹐家長那些論壇﹐其心胸偏狹﹑對科學憎恨﹑原教旨態度和在香港討論區那些基要信徒一樣﹐完全不可理喻。回了幾下招架不住就會改變話題去同你講耶穌﹑話你為人點點點﹐避開他們對科學的無知。
這些基督徒的專橫﹑霸道﹐原來有家長都注意到﹐他們敢怒不敢言﹐只是在私人信息對我表示支持﹐一兩個可以和我與基督徒討論。
當然最後就拋下類似﹕我為你祈禱﹑希望你儘快回到基督(諸如此類)﹐然後揚長而去。
在香港討論區更加出現大堆膠人﹐說公元前4004年上帝創造天地(﹖﹖﹗﹗﹗﹗﹗﹗﹖﹖﹖)﹑達爾文後悔發表進化論信基督教﹑恐龍與古代巨人同行(已經係給人踢爆N年的東西)。
香港原來反智教會好多﹐是不是近年多左﹖
好心寒﹐家長那些論壇﹐其心胸偏狹﹑對科學憎恨﹑原教旨態度和在香港討論區那些基要信徒一樣﹐完全不可理喻。回了幾下招架不住就會改變話題去同你講耶穌﹑話你為人點點點﹐避開他們對科學的無知。
這些基督徒的專橫﹑霸道﹐原來有家長都注意到﹐他們敢怒不敢言﹐只是在私人信息對我表示支持﹐一兩個可以和我與基督徒討論。
當然最後就拋下類似﹕我為你祈禱﹑希望你儘快回到基督(諸如此類)﹐然後揚長而去。
在香港討論區更加出現大堆膠人﹐說公元前4004年上帝創造天地(﹖﹖﹗﹗﹗﹗﹗﹗﹖﹖﹖)﹑達爾文後悔發表進化論信基督教﹑恐龍與古代巨人同行(已經係給人踢爆N年的東西)。
香港原來反智教會好多﹐是不是近年多左﹖
Sunday, December 28, 2008
把宗教和宗教無間道趕出科學堂
古希臘人最早發展數學﹑代數﹐其中 Pythageros Theorem ﹐係希臘人一個最大的貢獻。
希臘人覺得整數﹐是宇宙諸神發明的﹐Pythageros Theorem 的整數令人感到非常興奮
(1) 3^2 + 4^ = 5^2
(2) 6^2 + 8^2 = 10^2
等等
本來相安無事﹐怎知道﹐一個問題出現了﹐把一個正方形對角直線分開﹐成為一個等邊三角形﹐而兩條等邊內角90度﹐就出現了這個古怪的結果
1^2+ 1^2 = 2﹐但是﹐那條邊(90度對住那條)多長﹖﹖
它是一個數目的平方﹐這個數的平方是2﹐但對於相信整數是宇宙諸神發明的希臘人﹐這個發現太可怕了。。。。
他們努力求2 的“平方根”﹐它不是整數或者任何用整數相除的分數﹐完全不合理﹐幸虧當時沒有教會﹐否則這個發現就會給變成“異端邪說”了(由於“不合理”﹐這種數有個名字﹐叫無理數﹐irrational number )
另外一個數學﹐就是“負數”。教會看不到這個比“0”(沒有)更加”小“的數目有什麼價值 -- 當然後來不是數學家應用了正/負數的特性﹐而是物理學 (正電荷/負電荷﹐相對溫度﹐例如零度以下。。。)
數學的發展﹐暫時沒有踩中教會認為不可以逾越的界限 -- 就是教會的地心論﹑神創論。
那是近15世紀﹑16世紀﹐多利米 (Ptolemy) 的地心說雖然是主宰了教會超過1000年﹐但隨著更加精確的觀察出現﹐地心論越來越與所觀察的不一致﹐越來越多發現顯示地心說這個模型解釋不了天體運動。
哥白尼是教會一個學者﹐發現只要把太陽放在模型中間﹐就可以解釋很多天體運動現象﹐例如行星的運動 (觀測天空時候﹐人家看見在天球上﹐行星有時候是順行﹐有時候調頭走)﹐但哥白尼缺乏更加多有力證據﹐尤其沒有精確計算﹐也難以回答為何地球如果是運動著﹐為何人類不會給拋出太空﹐因此他的觀點得不到重視。但百年後﹐德國科學家開普勒就發現哥白尼沒有錯﹐而且推翻了教會所說﹐天體運動軌道都是圓形 -- 開普勒的 Laws of Planetary Motion﹐到現在仍然是教科書的題目
加利略後來的研究﹑觀測﹐甚至打算出版他的成果﹐宣佈地心論推翻而日心論成立 (他看見木星有衛星圍繞﹐推翻地心說聲稱﹐所有宇宙的星體都圍繞地球以圓形軌道運動)﹐令教會感受到極大威脅﹐結果加利略遭遇軟禁﹑不准出版他的著作。
但理性主義﹑科學研究的道路已經走去了一個不會回頭的方向 -- 科學研究不再理會什麼宗教權威﹑什麼“啟示”﹐而是根據evidence﹐去發展。而收集 evidence 的方法﹐在歐洲是加利略首創 -- 他進行實驗觀察斜坡滾下的東西﹐發現了加速。
牛頓推論出萬有引力理論﹐準確的預測了行星位置﹐印證了他的理論﹐這種科學方法對中世紀﹐尤其是教會一向相信真理是有權威的聖經啟示﹑不可以挑戰﹐是重大的顛覆。
當科學研究與教會越行越遠﹑越不受到教條捆綁﹐發現的越來越多。
達爾文與拍檔華萊士共同出版了“物種起源”﹐但華萊士因為宗教信念﹐不肯相信進化也應用在人類上 (他認為動物進化﹐人類神創)﹐但達爾文面對他的觀察﹐取事實﹑科學而捨棄宗教教條﹐就出版了 "The Descent of Man"
150年後﹐各樣的科學理論﹑發現能夠出現﹐是因為人不去貿然接納教會/傳統的定見﹐發現新的證據﹑觀察﹐就會從新校正理論﹑發展新的理論出來﹐嚴謹的印證理論的預測。
累積150年化石發現和多次的 falsification / testing ﹐進化論已經擁有壓倒性的大量驗證支持﹐而且有遺傳學﹑解剖學﹑基因學﹑molecular biology 等其他科學領域發現印證﹐進化已經是科學界沒有爭議事實﹐其理論只是繼續的去詳細化﹑去進一步的細緻解釋不同生物具體如何演化﹐因此進化論才能夠和其他科學理論 (萬有引力理論﹑電磁理論﹑原子論﹑相對論﹑大爆炸論)﹐在學校﹑大學的教科書和課堂教授。
如果巴斯德迷信古人對疾病的解釋﹐就不可能發展 germ theory of disease﹐就不可能成就活人無數的各樣發明 (Pasteur﹐巴斯得﹐發明了消毒牛奶的方法﹐今日仍然以他命名 -- pasteurization﹐下次買鮮牛奶﹐留意牛奶盒)
今日﹐還有一些原教旨主義信徒﹐想開倒車﹐把神創論假裝為“像科學”的智慧設計﹐通過教會學校向不知就裡的學生灌輸。學生不明白科學嚴謹的方法和所謂理論(theory) 與 假說 (hypothesis)的分別﹐也不懂得什麼東西才算科學﹐只是給一些令人目眩﹑不明白的術語矇騙﹐以為智慧設計也是“科學”。
我正在跟進一個學校在科學堂教導智慧設計的事件﹐掌握了初步的證據﹐但要真的把這些宗教無間道趕出科學堂﹐我要非常有力的指控﹐要有關學校﹑老師無法自辯脫罪﹐要有關學校﹑老師公開地承諾不再在科學堂教導智慧設計﹐這才是重要的目標。
希臘人覺得整數﹐是宇宙諸神發明的﹐Pythageros Theorem 的整數令人感到非常興奮
(1) 3^2 + 4^ = 5^2
(2) 6^2 + 8^2 = 10^2
等等
本來相安無事﹐怎知道﹐一個問題出現了﹐把一個正方形對角直線分開﹐成為一個等邊三角形﹐而兩條等邊內角90度﹐就出現了這個古怪的結果
1^2+ 1^2 = 2﹐但是﹐那條邊(90度對住那條)多長﹖﹖
它是一個數目的平方﹐這個數的平方是2﹐但對於相信整數是宇宙諸神發明的希臘人﹐這個發現太可怕了。。。。
他們努力求2 的“平方根”﹐它不是整數或者任何用整數相除的分數﹐完全不合理﹐幸虧當時沒有教會﹐否則這個發現就會給變成“異端邪說”了(由於“不合理”﹐這種數有個名字﹐叫無理數﹐irrational number )
另外一個數學﹐就是“負數”。教會看不到這個比“0”(沒有)更加”小“的數目有什麼價值 -- 當然後來不是數學家應用了正/負數的特性﹐而是物理學 (正電荷/負電荷﹐相對溫度﹐例如零度以下。。。)
數學的發展﹐暫時沒有踩中教會認為不可以逾越的界限 -- 就是教會的地心論﹑神創論。
那是近15世紀﹑16世紀﹐多利米 (Ptolemy) 的地心說雖然是主宰了教會超過1000年﹐但隨著更加精確的觀察出現﹐地心論越來越與所觀察的不一致﹐越來越多發現顯示地心說這個模型解釋不了天體運動。
哥白尼是教會一個學者﹐發現只要把太陽放在模型中間﹐就可以解釋很多天體運動現象﹐例如行星的運動 (觀測天空時候﹐人家看見在天球上﹐行星有時候是順行﹐有時候調頭走)﹐但哥白尼缺乏更加多有力證據﹐尤其沒有精確計算﹐也難以回答為何地球如果是運動著﹐為何人類不會給拋出太空﹐因此他的觀點得不到重視。但百年後﹐德國科學家開普勒就發現哥白尼沒有錯﹐而且推翻了教會所說﹐天體運動軌道都是圓形 -- 開普勒的 Laws of Planetary Motion﹐到現在仍然是教科書的題目
加利略後來的研究﹑觀測﹐甚至打算出版他的成果﹐宣佈地心論推翻而日心論成立 (他看見木星有衛星圍繞﹐推翻地心說聲稱﹐所有宇宙的星體都圍繞地球以圓形軌道運動)﹐令教會感受到極大威脅﹐結果加利略遭遇軟禁﹑不准出版他的著作。
但理性主義﹑科學研究的道路已經走去了一個不會回頭的方向 -- 科學研究不再理會什麼宗教權威﹑什麼“啟示”﹐而是根據evidence﹐去發展。而收集 evidence 的方法﹐在歐洲是加利略首創 -- 他進行實驗觀察斜坡滾下的東西﹐發現了加速。
牛頓推論出萬有引力理論﹐準確的預測了行星位置﹐印證了他的理論﹐這種科學方法對中世紀﹐尤其是教會一向相信真理是有權威的聖經啟示﹑不可以挑戰﹐是重大的顛覆。
當科學研究與教會越行越遠﹑越不受到教條捆綁﹐發現的越來越多。
達爾文與拍檔華萊士共同出版了“物種起源”﹐但華萊士因為宗教信念﹐不肯相信進化也應用在人類上 (他認為動物進化﹐人類神創)﹐但達爾文面對他的觀察﹐取事實﹑科學而捨棄宗教教條﹐就出版了 "The Descent of Man"
150年後﹐各樣的科學理論﹑發現能夠出現﹐是因為人不去貿然接納教會/傳統的定見﹐發現新的證據﹑觀察﹐就會從新校正理論﹑發展新的理論出來﹐嚴謹的印證理論的預測。
累積150年化石發現和多次的 falsification / testing ﹐進化論已經擁有壓倒性的大量驗證支持﹐而且有遺傳學﹑解剖學﹑基因學﹑molecular biology 等其他科學領域發現印證﹐進化已經是科學界沒有爭議事實﹐其理論只是繼續的去詳細化﹑去進一步的細緻解釋不同生物具體如何演化﹐因此進化論才能夠和其他科學理論 (萬有引力理論﹑電磁理論﹑原子論﹑相對論﹑大爆炸論)﹐在學校﹑大學的教科書和課堂教授。
如果巴斯德迷信古人對疾病的解釋﹐就不可能發展 germ theory of disease﹐就不可能成就活人無數的各樣發明 (Pasteur﹐巴斯得﹐發明了消毒牛奶的方法﹐今日仍然以他命名 -- pasteurization﹐下次買鮮牛奶﹐留意牛奶盒)
今日﹐還有一些原教旨主義信徒﹐想開倒車﹐把神創論假裝為“像科學”的智慧設計﹐通過教會學校向不知就裡的學生灌輸。學生不明白科學嚴謹的方法和所謂理論(theory) 與 假說 (hypothesis)的分別﹐也不懂得什麼東西才算科學﹐只是給一些令人目眩﹑不明白的術語矇騙﹐以為智慧設計也是“科學”。
我正在跟進一個學校在科學堂教導智慧設計的事件﹐掌握了初步的證據﹐但要真的把這些宗教無間道趕出科學堂﹐我要非常有力的指控﹐要有關學校﹑老師無法自辯脫罪﹐要有關學校﹑老師公開地承諾不再在科學堂教導智慧設計﹐這才是重要的目標。
Friday, December 26, 2008
我就《家庭暴力條例》寫了信給民主黨議員
我聽見幾個信基督教的民主黨議員﹐居然話擔心《家庭暴力條例》包括同性戀同居﹐就等於認同了同性關係為家庭關係﹐打算投反對票。
其中當然是曾經失落立法會議席後來投向基督教後再次入局的黃成智。此君曾經在所謂人權教育裡面扭曲人權的定義﹐把人權和責任掛鉤﹐給學員批評﹐在明珠台 Pearl Report 都有報導。
這次當然他是為了投部份選民所好 (歧視) 而採取此立場。
他回信說﹕到目前我與一些社會人士（包括基督徒）都認為若將同性婚姻合法，會帶來不少社會的衝擊（包括道德，教育，家庭制度及宗教信仰），而這些衝擊我們認為香港社會及大多數的市民未能接受，我反對家庭暴力修訂條例的修訂，但期望政府應另立修例保障同性同居者面對家居暴力問題或將條例名稱修改
黃議員其實回應上涉及了一個嚴重的偷換概念。修訂《家庭暴力條例》不等同是把同性婚姻合法化﹐台灣有關法例﹐把家屬關係定位一起居住而且以長久一起生活為目標﹐不提及婚姻﹐法例目標是保護這些親密關係裡面發生暴力﹑嚴重創傷的人的權益。
同性關係者面對的威脅根本和家庭暴力沒有明顯區別﹐易名只是凸顯他的歧視態度。
黃議員認同把家庭定義狹義為一些宗教徒和對同性人士關係歧視的定義﹐實在有虧一個立法會議員的責任。
同性婚姻如何衝擊道德，教育，家庭制度及宗教信仰基本上就是空洞的理由﹐如果同志是天生﹐而異性戀也是天生﹐如何會衝擊現在的婚姻制度﹖根本不會多了本來是異性戀的人去選擇同性婚姻罷﹖
當然本來隱藏的同志會公開結合﹐那又如何衝擊婚姻制度﹖好了﹐我們教育是要對人尊重包容﹐現在黃議員的觀點正好與此背道而馳。
宗教信仰更加就不能夠成為理由﹐少眾宗教人士的觀點怎可以用來強加在所有人身上﹖我們沒有強迫他們接納同性戀﹐同志結婚有他們結婚﹐宗教人士繼續可以不接納﹐正如他們不接納婚外情﹑同居﹑離婚等﹐誰去迫他們接納了﹖
黃議員只是單純為了滿足你一部份(不是全部)選民的立場﹐而不是真正從現代社會需要來看。
我們不是活在中世紀神權統治時代。
這是我原本寫的信﹕
Dear Mr. Wong,
I wrote to voice my deep concern of amendment of laws on domestic violence to include homosexual couples. You and a number of your colleagues in the Democratic Party cited your religious conviction in your opposition.
I have respect towards people choice of their religion or spirituality, but in terms of public matters, it is not a personal religious conviction that dictates.
You fear the law may pave the way of legalizing same-sex marriage.
I am very disappointed if you should vote against the amendment.
Domestic violence is about being perpetrated and traumatized by an intimate and significant other with which one shares their life, not just sharing the same flat. The trauma from it is very deep and can take years to heal.
It is why it is so important to include as many victims as possible under the protection of the law.
We are not living in the Middle Age or at a society of Feudalism, where immutable human rights are dispensed base on moral judgements or labelling -- human rights and a person's morality or responsibility has to be treated separately, so to avoid the law being turned into a tool of oppression (of people holding different values).
I know Christian groups (convservative ones) are adament about this amendment -- but let me ask, do they need means to oppress or to "legally" discriminate others in order to "witness Christ" (so to speak) ? Their opposition is their sign of weakness and fear rather a sign of the strength of their faith.
Your faith preaches love and compassion, but all I see in those oppositions are plain bigotry.
My friend has a very keen observation about Christians -- for professing Christians, once they come to believe that their set of values are superior, that their God is the only true god, and the others are inferior, false or devils, there is NO limit for them to show discrimination towards another who has another religiion different from them. Another says: religion makes good person do evil.
I wrote in a bid to convince you that you Christians don't need a law that permits domestic violence for homosexual couples or a law that is lenient towards violent perpetrators in a homosexual relationship, in order for you to uphold Christian values.
If the conservative Christians has their ways, then Hong Kong Christians will become just like their USA counterparts - bigots like George W. Bush.
其中當然是曾經失落立法會議席後來投向基督教後再次入局的黃成智。此君曾經在所謂人權教育裡面扭曲人權的定義﹐把人權和責任掛鉤﹐給學員批評﹐在明珠台 Pearl Report 都有報導。
這次當然他是為了投部份選民所好 (歧視) 而採取此立場。
他回信說﹕到目前我與一些社會人士（包括基督徒）都認為若將同性婚姻合法，會帶來不少社會的衝擊（包括道德，教育，家庭制度及宗教信仰），而這些衝擊我們認為香港社會及大多數的市民未能接受，我反對家庭暴力修訂條例的修訂，但期望政府應另立修例保障同性同居者面對家居暴力問題或將條例名稱修改
黃議員其實回應上涉及了一個嚴重的偷換概念。修訂《家庭暴力條例》不等同是把同性婚姻合法化﹐台灣有關法例﹐把家屬關係定位一起居住而且以長久一起生活為目標﹐不提及婚姻﹐法例目標是保護這些親密關係裡面發生暴力﹑嚴重創傷的人的權益。
同性關係者面對的威脅根本和家庭暴力沒有明顯區別﹐易名只是凸顯他的歧視態度。
黃議員認同把家庭定義狹義為一些宗教徒和對同性人士關係歧視的定義﹐實在有虧一個立法會議員的責任。
同性婚姻如何衝擊道德，教育，家庭制度及宗教信仰基本上就是空洞的理由﹐如果同志是天生﹐而異性戀也是天生﹐如何會衝擊現在的婚姻制度﹖根本不會多了本來是異性戀的人去選擇同性婚姻罷﹖
當然本來隱藏的同志會公開結合﹐那又如何衝擊婚姻制度﹖好了﹐我們教育是要對人尊重包容﹐現在黃議員的觀點正好與此背道而馳。
宗教信仰更加就不能夠成為理由﹐少眾宗教人士的觀點怎可以用來強加在所有人身上﹖我們沒有強迫他們接納同性戀﹐同志結婚有他們結婚﹐宗教人士繼續可以不接納﹐正如他們不接納婚外情﹑同居﹑離婚等﹐誰去迫他們接納了﹖
黃議員只是單純為了滿足你一部份(不是全部)選民的立場﹐而不是真正從現代社會需要來看。
我們不是活在中世紀神權統治時代。
這是我原本寫的信﹕
Dear Mr. Wong,
I wrote to voice my deep concern of amendment of laws on domestic violence to include homosexual couples. You and a number of your colleagues in the Democratic Party cited your religious conviction in your opposition.
I have respect towards people choice of their religion or spirituality, but in terms of public matters, it is not a personal religious conviction that dictates.
You fear the law may pave the way of legalizing same-sex marriage.
I am very disappointed if you should vote against the amendment.
Domestic violence is about being perpetrated and traumatized by an intimate and significant other with which one shares their life, not just sharing the same flat. The trauma from it is very deep and can take years to heal.
It is why it is so important to include as many victims as possible under the protection of the law.
We are not living in the Middle Age or at a society of Feudalism, where immutable human rights are dispensed base on moral judgements or labelling -- human rights and a person's morality or responsibility has to be treated separately, so to avoid the law being turned into a tool of oppression (of people holding different values).
I know Christian groups (convservative ones) are adament about this amendment -- but let me ask, do they need means to oppress or to "legally" discriminate others in order to "witness Christ" (so to speak) ? Their opposition is their sign of weakness and fear rather a sign of the strength of their faith.
Your faith preaches love and compassion, but all I see in those oppositions are plain bigotry.
My friend has a very keen observation about Christians -- for professing Christians, once they come to believe that their set of values are superior, that their God is the only true god, and the others are inferior, false or devils, there is NO limit for them to show discrimination towards another who has another religiion different from them. Another says: religion makes good person do evil.
I wrote in a bid to convince you that you Christians don't need a law that permits domestic violence for homosexual couples or a law that is lenient towards violent perpetrators in a homosexual relationship, in order for you to uphold Christian values.
If the conservative Christians has their ways, then Hong Kong Christians will become just like their USA counterparts - bigots like George W. Bush.
接受外國離教者網站網主訪問
我這個網站﹐引起了一個外國教者網站網主注意﹐他在BLOG 留言後和我聯繫﹐邀請我接受訪問。
這個網站叫 exminister.org﹐特別是收錄曾經做傳道人而離開基督教的文章﹐出文的也包括臨床心理學家和輔導心理學家﹐當然少不了是網站管理人 Brian Morley 他自己。
他們對中國﹑香港的社會宗教情況甚有興趣﹐我也儘量回答了他的問題。
Brian 說﹐整理後計劃1月﹐把我的博客介紹為 Blog of the Month。
這個網站叫 exminister.org﹐特別是收錄曾經做傳道人而離開基督教的文章﹐出文的也包括臨床心理學家和輔導心理學家﹐當然少不了是網站管理人 Brian Morley 他自己。
他們對中國﹑香港的社會宗教情況甚有興趣﹐我也儘量回答了他的問題。
Brian 說﹐整理後計劃1月﹐把我的博客介紹為 Blog of the Month。
Thursday, December 18, 2008
我學外國無神論團體一樣﹐報紙刊登無神論信息廣告
美國華盛頓國州首府政府大樓﹑倫敦巴士﹑威斯康辛州首府﹑丹佛市﹑科羅拉多泉幾個地方﹐無神論人士都通過不同渠道﹐發出無神信息﹐希望無神論﹑理性主義﹑不可知論的聲音可以在基督教的聖誕節抗衡鋪天蓋地的基督教宣傳。
信息大概都是說我們不需要信仰﹐例如本文頂的。另外一個是 Freedom From Religion Foundation 的。
我就在2008年12月18日的 AM730刊登了四分一版廣告。
雖然花了點點錢﹐但我相信應該會有些反應的﹐雖然不能夠學倫敦的巴士車身或者那個巨型廣告牌一樣﹐總算都做了點東西。
Thursday, December 11, 2008
Sunday, December 07, 2008
基督教《中信》月刊應該改名為《中騙》月刊
最近網誌有人給了回應﹐引用了基督教《中信》月刊560期題目為「達爾文懷疑進化論」的文章﹐一看原來又是那個神棍何天澤寫的東西。
裡面又是對達爾文著作《物種起源》進行斷章取義﹐又是說達爾文自己懷疑進化論。
我在香港討論區貼了一些反駮文章﹐同時也呼籲那裡的反基上去投訴﹐flood 爆他們。
這文章全部都是老調重彈﹐全部都重複地引用就的所謂論據﹐但基督教就是這樣﹐喜歡不斷說謊。
有關討論點擊這裡。
裡面又是對達爾文著作《物種起源》進行斷章取義﹐又是說達爾文自己懷疑進化論。
我在香港討論區貼了一些反駮文章﹐同時也呼籲那裡的反基上去投訴﹐flood 爆他們。
這文章全部都是老調重彈﹐全部都重複地引用就的所謂論據﹐但基督教就是這樣﹐喜歡不斷說謊。
有關討論點擊這裡。
Friday, December 05, 2008
基督教的論資排輩
最近看到時代論壇有一篇唐佑之牧師些的文章﹐此牧師在浸記輩分甚高﹐算德高望重﹐不過我對這些老基督教徒寫的東西完全不抱期望﹐基本都是基督教八股﹐卻留意到這文章居然有頗高點擊率﹐一看原來他講最近鬧到全港基督教通晒天的浸神網誌事件。文章一字不提江耀全的無能﹑失職﹑和中傷舊同工﹐一句說孫牧師寫網誌是缺少屬靈風度﹑沒有忍耐﹐好像是孫牧師一有不滿﹑不跟循正式途徑去投訴反映就這樣做。
一路有留意事件發展的我﹐當然不同意。網上版出現廿多個回應﹐幾乎一面倒質疑唐牧師。
大概唐佑之高估了香港教會對長輩的服從﹐以為香港的信徒都好似他北美華人教會或者以前那一代這樣﹐對長輩老人家一定不問情由就順服﹐不料到自己會給人圍攻﹐如果時代論壇把網上這些回響轉達他﹐可能他會後悔在時代論壇發表﹐甚至以後都不敢再在時代論壇出文了。
一路有留意事件發展的我﹐當然不同意。網上版出現廿多個回應﹐幾乎一面倒質疑唐牧師。
大概唐佑之高估了香港教會對長輩的服從﹐以為香港的信徒都好似他北美華人教會或者以前那一代這樣﹐對長輩老人家一定不問情由就順服﹐不料到自己會給人圍攻﹐如果時代論壇把網上這些回響轉達他﹐可能他會後悔在時代論壇發表﹐甚至以後都不敢再在時代論壇出文了。
Monday, December 01, 2008
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